Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/24/2002 01:57 PM House FIN

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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      January 24, 2002                                                                                          
                         1:57 P.M.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:57 P.M.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mary Kapsner; Senator  Donald Olson; P.J. Ford                                                                   
Slack, Director,  Teaching and  Learning Support,  Department                                                                   
of Education  & Early  Development; Barbara Thompson,  Deputy                                                                   
Director,  Teaching  and  Learning   Support,  Department  of                                                                   
Education  &  Early  Development;   Louie  Yannotti,  Charter                                                                   
Schools,  Social  Studies,  Teaching  and  Learning  Support,                                                                   
Department of Education & Early  Development; Annie McIlvain,                                                                   
Alaska  Municipal  League; Tom  Harvey,  Executive  Director,                                                                   
NEA-Alaska.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Candy   Waugaman,  President,   Alaska  Historical   Society,                                                                   
Fairbanks; Mary Nordale, Fairbanks;  Joan Antonson, Office of                                                                   
History  &  Archaeology,  Department  of  Natural  Resources,                                                                   
Anchorage; Bruce  Parham, Anchorage; Judy Bittner,  History &                                                                   
Archaeology,  Department  of  Natural  Resources,  Anchorage;                                                                   
Steve Haycox,  University of Alaska-Anchorage,  Anchorage; Ed                                                                   
Earnhart,  Anchorage;  Elsa Sargento,  Filipino  Community  &                                                                   
Bridge  Builders,  Anchorage;   Kathleen  Dalton,  Fairbanks;                                                                   
Carol  Comeau, Anchorage  School  Superintendent,  Anchorage;                                                                   
Ernie Line, Mat-Su; Darlene Hurbert, Fairbanks.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 171    An  Act   relating  to  a  curriculum   for  Alaska                                                                   
          history; and providing for an effective date.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          HB 171 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 171                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to a curriculum for Alaska history; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MARY  KAPSNER  explained  that  understanding                                                                   
Alaska State  history is important  to providing  the context                                                                   
of where  Alaskans came from and  what we as  Alaskan's value                                                                   
about  the  diversity and  richness  of  our  State.   It  is                                                                   
fundamental to  being informed and effective  participants in                                                                   
State and  local affairs.   An understanding of  how Alaska's                                                                   
economy  and  form  of government  developed  is  crucial  to                                                                   
understanding how to deal with today's issues.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commonwealth North's study in  2000 on the urban/rural divide                                                                   
in  Alaska found  that  if nothing  is  done  to address  the                                                                   
critical issues that  divide Alaskans, the result  will be an                                                                   
increasingly  fragmented  State, with  discouraging  economic                                                                   
growth  and increasing  social  and  cultural  clashes.   The                                                                   
group put  forth a set of  recommendations and  action items,                                                                   
including the teaching  of Alaska history at  the high school                                                                   
level,  and  backed  up the  recommendation  with  an  active                                                                   
working committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kapsner  noted   that  support  has   grown.                                                                   
Resolutions were  passed at the Alaska Federation  of Natives                                                                   
(AFN) Convention for the past  three years calling for Alaska                                                                   
history  education.   The Alaska  Municipal  League issued  a                                                                   
policy statement in support of  civic education for students,                                                                   
noting  that   teaching  children   how  to  understand   and                                                                   
influence their government  is critical to the  well being of                                                                   
Alaska.   The  Alaska Association  of School  Boards and  the                                                                   
National  Education  Association  (NEA)  Alaska  support  the                                                                   
legislation.     The   Department   of   Education  &   Early                                                                   
Development  has worked  with the legislative  group  to help                                                                   
craft and tune the language of HB 171.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kapsner    advised   that    Carol   Comeau,                                                                   
Superintendent of  the Anchorage School System,  is currently                                                                   
working on a curriculum for the legislation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kapsner  referenced  the  proposed  committee                                                                   
substitute, work draft #22-LS0070\R,  Ford, 1/22/02. [Copy on                                                                   
File]. She noted  that the draft would up date  the effective                                                                   
dates from last  year.  The work draft also  removes language                                                                   
regarding  special  education  students because  federal  law                                                                   
controls  that   requirement.    The  draft   also  clarifies                                                                   
requirements  for  students  transferring   into  the  Alaska                                                                   
school system in their junior or senior year.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde asked how  many high  schools in  Alaska do                                                                   
not have Alaska history as a requirement.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kapsner replied  that nine school districts do                                                                   
not require Alaska history.  That  does not mean that they do                                                                   
not offer it as an elective.  However, it is not required.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde  thought it outrageous that a  law should be                                                                   
passed for  such a small number  of school districts.   Vice-                                                                   
Chair  Bunde   referenced  the  committee  substitute.     He                                                                   
commented that  the people who  need to learn  Alaska history                                                                   
are the  ones that are  new to the  State.  He  asserted that                                                                   
those are the people that should be required to take it.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kapsner agreed,  however, many  of those  new                                                                   
students will  need to prepare  to pass the State  exit exam.                                                                   
She stressed that the legislation  was intended to be a great                                                                   
first step.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson applauded  Representative Kapsner  for                                                                   
the  legislation.   He addressed  the  additional money  that                                                                   
would be needed  in the classroom teaching area  to implement                                                                   
the  program.     He  pointed  out  the   National  Education                                                                   
Association's  (NEA)  endorsement  on the  legislation.    He                                                                   
asked  about the  development costs  of the  curriculum.   He                                                                   
inquired if  there would need  to be additional  money placed                                                                   
into the school system to teach the curriculum.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kapsner understood  that the money  generated                                                                   
by the fiscal note would be used  to develop the material and                                                                   
curriculum.  She  requested that the Department  address that                                                                   
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Whitaker noted that  he had co-sponsored  the                                                                   
bill.   He  acknowledged  that there  would  be some  "tough"                                                                   
questions  asked from  legislative  members.   Representative                                                                   
Whitaker spoke to the Native &  non-Native cultural clash and                                                                   
his concern regarding  that.  He referenced  the findings and                                                                   
intent section, Section 3, Page  3, Line 19.  He reflected on                                                                   
the  diversity within  the Native  culture.   He pointed  out                                                                   
that  the bill  only  indicates  a Native  studies  component                                                                   
regardless of  the rich and  diverse cultural history  of the                                                                   
State.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kapsner emphasized  that it was not her intent                                                                   
that HB  171 be a  "Native" bill.   She acknowledged  that it                                                                   
does  reference Native  people.   Many people  in the  public                                                                   
school  system have  little or  no  reference at  all to  the                                                                   
Native people.   Native people  have an oral tradition, not a                                                                   
literary tradition.   Hence,  most books  are not written  by                                                                   
Native  people.     Consequently,  she  stated   that  it  is                                                                   
imperative  to have at  least one  section of the  curriculum                                                                   
devoted solely to the Native people of Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Whitaker  suggested  that verbiage  be  added                                                                   
that is inclusive  of all cultures.  He added  that it is not                                                                   
advantageous to see ourselves  as culturally separate.  As an                                                                   
institution,  the  State  has   to  work  toward  a  goal  of                                                                   
establishing an inclusive Alaskan culture.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Lancaster commended the  sponsor.   He voiced                                                                   
concern  with  the "pile"  of  significant  education  bills,                                                                   
which are stacking up for consideration this session.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kapsner voiced her  concern with  being "lost                                                                   
in the dust".   She stressed that  many of the issues  on the                                                                   
table are divisive.   She commented that HB 171  would act as                                                                   
a unifier.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Davies  interjected   his  support   of  the                                                                   
legislation.   He noted  that normally  he would not  support                                                                   
legislation that mandates a State  requirement, however, this                                                                   
consideration is a central and  core issue for the State.  He                                                                   
pointed  out that  there is a  lack of  understanding in  the                                                                   
history  of  Alaska,  which  plays  a role  in  many  of  the                                                                   
problems currently existing in the Legislature.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He added  that in terms of  the budget, only  $53,000 dollars                                                                   
was being directed  for training of teachers.   He emphasized                                                                   
that the  request is a  modest amount and  that HB 171  is an                                                                   
important piece of legislation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Foster   MOVED   to  adopt   the   committee                                                                   
substitute for HB  171 as the version of the  bill before the                                                                   
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kapsner  responded   to  comments   made  by                                                                   
Representative Whitaker.  She  stated that the Native Alaskan                                                                   
influence is  unique within the  State. Many of  the European                                                                   
influences in  Alaska are similar  to those in  other states.                                                                   
Alaskan Natives have  an experience that is  unlike any other                                                                   
Native  group  in  the  world because  of  the  Native  Claim                                                                   
Settlement Act  (NCSA).  There  is a presumption that  if you                                                                   
are  native,  you  belong  to  one  of  the  thirteen  Native                                                                   
Corporations.   She pointed out  that all Natives  born after                                                                   
1971 do not belong to a Native Corporation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Bunde  recommended   that   the  Department   of                                                                   
Education & Early Development  should develop the curriculum.                                                                   
He asked  if language would be  included because there  is no                                                                   
confidence that the Department  could address that portion of                                                                   
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kapsner stated  that had been a recommendation                                                                   
of  Commonwealth North  and  various leaders  throughout  the                                                                   
State both Native and non-Native.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
P.J.  FORD SLACK,  DIRECTOR, TEACHING  AND LEARNING  SUPPORT,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  EDUCATION & EARLY DEVELOPMENT,  noted that the                                                                   
Department  does   not  often  get  involved   in  developing                                                                   
curriculum.    Alaska is  unique  in  the  way that  it  does                                                                   
things.   The  proposed bill  does  have the  support of  the                                                                   
entire Department and various  groups statewide involved with                                                                   
the concern.   Most  districts have  made this a  requirement                                                                   
and if not a requirement, an elective.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She   added   that   the   legislation   was   developed   in                                                                   
collaboration  with  various interest  groups,  to  guarantee                                                                   
that it aligns  with other work and is standards-based.   The                                                                   
Department  wants  to  facilitate  the program.    Ms.  Slack                                                                   
advised   that  the   Department   has   worked  close   with                                                                   
Superintendent  Comeau from  the  Anchorage School  District,                                                                   
has implemented the plan already.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slack acknowledged  that  there are  questions with  the                                                                   
special  education piece  of the  legislation.   She  assured                                                                   
members that  the majority of  special Ed students  will know                                                                   
their portion of  Alaska history as well, but it  would be up                                                                   
to  their Individual  Pupil Unit  (IPU) team  to determine  a                                                                   
curriculum that is  appropriate for that student.   Ms. Slack                                                                   
stated  that  it  has been  recommended  that  piece  of  the                                                                   
verbiage be removed.   She did not recall that  students from                                                                   
out-of-state  be exempt  from the requirement.   She  assumed                                                                   
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that  it could  have been  removed for  those new  11  &  12                                                                    
graders coming into  the State, faced with the  unique credit                                                                   
requirements that they will need to graduate.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slack noted  that  as the  person  who oversees  teacher                                                                   
certification throughout  the State, every  entering educator                                                                   
is required to take an Alaska focused credit.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She commented  that the Department  would take all  pieces of                                                                   
the  legislation  "to  heart".   She  referenced  the  recent                                                                   
Alaska Native Educational Seminar  in November 2001, in which                                                                   
many  people voiced  support  for the  proposed  legislation.                                                                   
She offered to answer questions regarding the fiscal note.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams noted  his concern  with the fiscal  note.                                                                   
He  noted that  with only  nine  districts that  do not  have                                                                   
Alaska   history   requirement,   why  does   an   additional                                                                   
curriculum need to be designed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slack responded  that she did not know  if the Department                                                                   
could reduce  the cost of the  fiscal note.  She  pointed out                                                                   
that the  note takes into  consideration developing a  CD and                                                                   
active web  site, while making  sure that there  is ownership                                                                   
for the  curriculum throughout the State.   It is not  a high                                                                   
stakes  credit, but  there be  consistency.   She  emphasized                                                                   
that it is important  to keep that integrity.   She noted the                                                                   
various pieces  creating one  cohesive piece of  information,                                                                   
technologically based.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams  asserted  that  there  currently  are  44                                                                   
districts that  have already taken ownership.   He reiterated                                                                   
to the Department that the Committee  was looking for ways to                                                                   
reduce the fiscal note.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  THOMPSON,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR,  TEACHING  AND  LEARNING                                                                   
SUPPORT,  DEPARTMENT   OF  EDUCATION  &   EARLY  DEVELOPMENT,                                                                   
clarified  that  in  meeting  the  provisions  of  the  bill,                                                                   
including a Alaska Native studies  component, the State could                                                                   
not  guarantee  that  all  44   districts  qualify  for  that                                                                   
requirement.   Each district  currently teaches  differently.                                                                   
Through  the proposed  legislation, it  would unify  what was                                                                   
taught.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson questioned if  this was a  course that                                                                   
could be assumed by existing staff at various schools.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slack  responded  that  adding the  class  would  be  no                                                                   
different from adding something  else more complicated to the                                                                   
list.  An Alaska study component  is required of each teacher                                                                   
in  Alaska to  have before  they  receive a  Type A  license.                                                                   
Many resources  are available and  it would not  be something                                                                   
where  an additional  burden would  be placed  on the  school                                                                   
staff.   The only impact  concern to  staff would be  to have                                                                   
the flexibility  to take  it into the  middle or  high school                                                                   
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson clarified that  there would be  no new                                                                   
staff and that existing staff would not be replaced.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slack responded that was correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde   referenced  Page  4,  Line   2,  "special                                                                   
education".  He asked if that should be deleted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slack did not know if that language should remain.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde commented  that if  there are 44  districts                                                                   
that already have  an Alaskan history component,  why would a                                                                   
new course need to be created.   He questioned the curriculum                                                                   
and the  diversity within  the State  of the Native  culture.                                                                   
He  asked if  it was  the Department's  intent  to develop  a                                                                   
curriculum that would focus more on each area individually.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slack envisioned that the  Alaska history component would                                                                   
have a  section for  each cultural  component throughout  the                                                                   
State, such as Native groups,  Russian, Polish-American, etc.                                                                   
She referenced  the Alaska  Native Network website  developed                                                                   
out  of Fairbanks.    She  acknowledged that  the  Department                                                                   
could cover a broader vision.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Ms. Slack  was not sure what  each component would  look like                                                                   
but reiterated that  it should include all pieces  within the                                                                   
Alaska  history.    The  specifics  would  be  left  to  each                                                                   
individual committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde asked how long the course would be taught.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slack  replied that  it would  be a one-semester  course,                                                                   
approximately 12 weeks long.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thompson  interjected that  it could  be either  a stand-                                                                   
alone  course  or specific  pieces  incorporated  and  taught                                                                   
through other courses.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde interjected  that would  be an  interesting                                                                   
challenge for the standard-based curriculum.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  asked about  the  nine districts  that                                                                   
currently have an Alaska studies  course.  He noted that some                                                                   
districts teach  the course at  the elementary  school level.                                                                   
He  noted that  the  course would  need  to be  substantially                                                                   
changed to be used for high school level.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft asked  what  the curriculum  challenges                                                                   
would  be  in Anchorage  with  the  transfer of  juniors  and                                                                   
seniors.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thompson did not know what had been decided.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ERNIE LINE,  (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  MAT-SU, thought                                                                   
that it would  be difficult to accomplish the  legislation by                                                                   
July 1, 2001.   He asked if  a textbook would be  included in                                                                   
the curriculum.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kapsner commented  that the Department  would                                                                   
determine  the materials  to be  used.   She  noted that  the                                                                   
first class that  would be affected by the  legislation would                                                                   
be the graduating class of 2007.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Line  agreed that  the Alaska  studies program  should be                                                                   
executed in only high school.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOAN  ANTONSON,  (TESTIFIED VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  OFFICE  OF                                                                   
HISTORY  &  ARCHAELOGY,  DEPARTMENT   OF  NATURAL  RESOURCES,                                                                   
ANCHORAGE,  offered to  answer  questions  of the  Committee.                                                                   
She noted that  a textbook had been created  and currently is                                                                   
being used.  That textbook was complete in 1986.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JUDY  BITTNER,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  HISTORY  &                                                                   
ARCHAEOLOGY,  DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL  RESOURCES,  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
noted that the Department does support the legislation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative J.  Davies asked if the  Historical Commission                                                                   
had discussed the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bittner  stated  that it has  been discussed  and that  a                                                                   
resolution had been submitted in support.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STEVE HAYCOX,  (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  UNIVERSITY OF                                                                   
ALASKA-ANCHORAGE,   ANCHORAGE,  testified  support   for  the                                                                   
legislation.    He  supported   having  a  textbook  for  the                                                                   
curriculum.   He  referenced Commonwealth  North's report  in                                                                   
support  of a  curriculum as  proposed.   He elaborated  that                                                                   
Alaskans  need  greater  ways  of  connecting  and  that  the                                                                   
proposed legislation  would help with that concern.   History                                                                   
provides people a way to be human  and how we share our place                                                                   
on the  planet, which  helps us  make better  judgments.   He                                                                   
stressed  that  the legislation  would  be valuable  for  the                                                                   
young people of the State.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ED  EARNHART,  (TESTIFIED  VIA   TELECONFERENCE),  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
voiced support for  the legislation.  He emphasized  that the                                                                   
State has not yet come together  politically.  He pointed out                                                                   
that  HB  171  calls  for  history  and  government  to  come                                                                   
together. He voiced  caution with the State  taking advantage                                                                   
of the local school districts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ELSA  SARAGENTO,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  FILIPINO                                                                   
COMMUNITY &  BRIDGE BUILDERS,  ANCHORAGE, voiced  support for                                                                   
the legislation.   She urged that the Alaska  studies program                                                                   
be  mandated for  all Alaskan  children.   An Alaska  studies                                                                   
requirement is one way to teach  many things to a child.  Not                                                                   
only will  our youth learn  about Alaska and  their heritage,                                                                   
they will understand that they  are part of Alaska's history.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAROL COMEAU, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  SUPERINTENDANT                                                                   
OF ANCHORAGE  SCHOOLS, ANCHORAGE,  stated that the  Anchorage                                                                   
School Board  unanimously passed the recommendation  that all                                                                   
students take  a one semester  class in Alaska studies.   She                                                                   
pointed  out that  she personally  had been  working on  this                                                                   
issue since 1978.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Comeau  added that  many of today's  young people  do not                                                                   
know how  the State  has gotten  to where it  is today.   She                                                                   
stressed that  the Alaskan young  people need to  be educated                                                                   
regarding concerns  such as the fiscal gap,  Alaskan National                                                                   
Wildlife  Refuge  (ANWR),  subsistence   and  other  concerns                                                                   
throughout the State.   Ms. Comeau maintained that  this is a                                                                   
major responsibility  of the school districts.   The time has                                                                   
come to require it in every school.   There should be a State                                                                   
content standard and then each  district should develop their                                                                   
own piece.  The diversity of the  State must be honored.  She                                                                   
urged that the bill pass from Committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde questioned how  local school districts would                                                                   
look at the proposal.   He asked if they would  consider it a                                                                   
non-funded mandate.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Comeau replied that some districts  might feel that it is                                                                   
an un-funded  mandate.   She stressed that  the value  of the                                                                   
issue is  so important that it  should be mandated.   The on-                                                                   
going cost will result from doing solid teacher training.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde observed that  it would be a 12-week course.                                                                   
He questioned  how much  depth could  be reached during  that                                                                   
time frame.   He thought  that the elementary  civic programs                                                                   
could do some of the preparatory  work.  He commented that it                                                                   
will be challenging to achieve the intended success.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Comeau  acknowledged the difficulty  of having  a quality                                                                   
course in the  time allotted.  She responded  that the topics                                                                   
would need to be narrowed down  to critical areas. Ms. Comeau                                                                   
emphasized  that  standards  need  to  be  the  core  of  the                                                                   
program.    She  did  not  anticipate  a  struggle  with  the                                                                   
Department  of   Education  and  Early  Development   on  the                                                                   
curriculum.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde wondered if the  Anchorage area would have a                                                                   
section on  the Native contribution  to the State as  part of                                                                   
the course curriculum.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Comeau replied that they absolutely would.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to queries  by  Representative  Lancaster,  Ms.                                                                   
Comeau did  not think the  teacher shortage would  impact the                                                                   
program.  She stated that it was  the districts obligation to                                                                   
develop  an excellent  training  package for  the course  and                                                                   
keep it going locally  on an on-going basis.   There are many                                                                   
community  builders who  are willing  to work  in keeping  it                                                                   
going.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DARLENE HURBERT,  (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  FAIRBANKS,                                                                   
voiced  support  of  the  legislation.   She  emphasized  the                                                                   
importance of sharing Alaska history  and expressed hope that                                                                   
it would reduce prejudice.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CANDY  WAUGAMAN, (TESTIFIED  VIA TELECONFERENCE),  PRESIDENT,                                                                   
ALASKA HISTORICAL  SOCIETY, FAIRBANKS, voiced support  for HB
171. She  emphasized that  the legislation  would provide  an                                                                   
understanding  of  Alaska's  past. She  maintained  that  the                                                                   
fiscal cost is  reasonable. The legislation would  not add to                                                                   
credits needed to graduate or  take away from other programs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARY  NORDALE,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  FAIRBANKS,                                                                   
testified  in  support  of  HB  171.    The  State  Board  of                                                                   
Education stated  that a student should be  able to integrate                                                                   
historical   knowledge  with   historical   skill  to   fully                                                                   
participate  as a citizen.   Among the  tests used  to define                                                                   
that standard, a student should  be able to define a personal                                                                   
position  on   issues  while  understanding   the  historical                                                                   
outcome of  positions and  rules.  It  is crucial  for Alaska                                                                   
that we  develop a way to  understand one another and  have a                                                                   
common ground.  HB 171 would be a start.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANNIE  MCILVAIN, ALASKA  MUNICIPAL LEAGUE,  JUNEAU, spoke  in                                                                   
support  of  the   bill.  She  noted  that   the  League  has                                                                   
contracted for the development  of a curriculum that could be                                                                   
used.  The  curriculum would consist of modules  for teachers                                                                   
to use in  K-12 throughout Alaska.   It would be  a web-based                                                                   
module that any teacher could use for Alaska history.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TOM   HARVEY,   EXECITIVE   DIRECTOR,   NEA-ALASKA,   JUNEAU,                                                                   
testified that  the National  Education Association  (NEA) is                                                                   
in support of HB 171 because it is:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ·    State standards based;                                                                                                
     ·    Provides for a local delivery and development                                                                         
          mechanism;                                                                                                            
     ·    Does provide a means for NEA to provide children                                                                      
          the essential resources of knowledge to be good                                                                       
          citizens, which addresses Alaska's diversity.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Harvey noted  that NEA  has  learned many  collaboration                                                                   
lessons.   He stated that NEA  believes that the  fiscal note                                                                   
could be reduced.  There are resources  around the State that                                                                   
could address those resource and delivery issues.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde   expressed  his  appreciation   for  NEA's                                                                   
willingness to help  with lowering the costs.   He questioned                                                                   
how the standards-based idea could be developed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Harvey   felt  that   State-based  standards   could  be                                                                   
addressed  as long  is  there was  an  understanding of  what                                                                   
those standards  are and  then there  was cooperation  within                                                                   
the staff.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bunde observed  that  there will  need  to be  an                                                                   
assessment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Harvey  explained that  NEA-Alaska is  not in support  of                                                                   
high  stake testing,  however,  agreed  that the  assessments                                                                   
could be made.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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(3)  "special   education"  has  the  meaning   given  in  AS                                                                   
14.30.350".    There being  NO  OBJECTION, the  language  was                                                                   
deleted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams   expressed  his   desire  to   hear  more                                                                   
testimony from  the school districts affected  by the change.                                                                   
He encouraged  the Department  to address the  proposed costs                                                                   
associated with the fiscal note.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 171 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:33 P.M.                                                                                          

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